Royal Oppression vs Battle Fader

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so, I think battle fader special summons itself before the damage calculation, or is he? if he isn't then could it be negated by royal oppression? but there is no Damage Step when Battle Fader is summoned, as it stops the Battle from even taking place, so Royal Oppression can be used.What if Battle Fader is not summoned or cannot be summoned the Battle Phase is not ended?But heres my EXAMPLE:Player A attacks with a monster while controlling Royal Oppression.
Player B declares Fader's Special Summon, in response, A activates Oppression.
1) Can A, IN THE SAME CHAIN, activate a second fader?
2) If yes, can B activate a second time Oppression on the second Fader?

this is, as i had found out, completely wrong. only because i was one step early in the battle phase

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but say if royal oppression is already out n they draw battle fader can they use its eff?

once again completely wrong...unless you apply it to the damage step, and not battle step

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i see lol but do u wish they did not banned ROYAL OPPERSSION

nope im glad they did. otherwise people would be stopping my plays left and right

lol but cant u just JUDGMENT that though

yeah on activation. but alot of times i wont have judgment. i mostly rely on MST for getting rid of oppression

Step by step:

1) Enter Battle Phase.
2) Monster attack (Battle step, attack declaration)
3) Battle Fader activates.
4) Royal Oppression is chained to it BEFORE it resolves.
5) Royal Oppression resolves first and negates Fader eff.
6) Battle Phase continues.

Questions:

1) U CANNOT use 2 Faders in a same chain. In this case, WITHOUT A DOUBT. Battle Fader's eff is a Trigger, you cannot chain it to anything (oppression in this case). Other cases are the likes of Trago in SEGOC, in responce to a single attack, wich cannot be done anyways.
2) Answered.

Nivedo wrote:

from what i understand, the battle has already started when an attack is declared battle phase is entered and only counter traps and their effect can be activated, which means that royal oppression is out of the picture. i may be wrong but that is my understanding of it

i think you're thinking of the damage step, Nivedo. you can activate anything during the battle phase and attack declaration (and i don't really mean anything so no smart ass comments lol)

If Nivedo's say was the case, you wouldn't be able to activate Mirror Force or the like.

Konami made a special rule that states you may not activate multiple Trigger/Multi-Trigger effects from the hand in a single chain in response to the same action.

VioletSk227 wrote:

Konami made a special rule that states you may not activate multiple Trigger/Multi-Trigger effects from the hand in a single chain in response to the same action.

Wouldn't it be more fair to state that after Royal Oppression resolves and negates the special summon, the entire chain has resolved with the negation and destruction of Battle Fader? And as such, a second Battle Fader would be a second chain, which would no longer be allowable? Especially since Battle Fader's effect is a "When; can" scenario. With the first Battle Fader being negated, a declared attack is no longer the last action on the field, which means the second Battle Fader has missed the timing (After all, since the first was NEGATED, the number of monsters does not change, so a replay is not triggered). Thusly, the attack carries through.

Pretty much. The 2nd Fader has missed the timing because of the chain.

but is there anything to chain that chain that your doing though?

You simply can not activate two battlefader in response to that same attack due to the reasons previously stated. If you want to chain a card to the card attempting to negate and destroy fader, then you can do so, but as far as playing a second fader in response to that same first attack, it cannot be done.

yeah i realized that i was wrong after rjuto posted what he had posted, and i looked it up. so just ignore my post

i have a question sort of like this. i know 2nd Fader can't be chained, but why is it you can use mirror, ladd negates, and then you can use Prison but not 2 faders?

You cannot use Dimensional Prison in response to the resolution of Light and Darkness Dragon negating Mirror Force. You can, however, chain Dimensional Prison to the activation of Light and Darkness Dragon's effect which is set to negate Mirror Force, since then the activation window for Dimensional Prison is still in response to the attack declaration. Where as if you waited for Light and Darkness Dragon's effect to resolve negating Mirror Force the activation window is no longer open for attack declaration, and thusly the timing for Dimensional Prison is wrong so it cannot be activated.

SirFunchalot wrote:

the activation window for Dimensional Prison is still in response to the attack declaration.

that's the important part haha

SirFunchalot wrote:

You cannot use Dimensional Prison in response to the resolution of Light and Darkness Dragon negating Mirror Force. You can, however, chain Dimensional Prison to the activation of Light and Darkness Dragon's effect which is set to negate Mirror Force, since then the activation window for Dimensional Prison is still in response to the attack declaration. Where as if you waited for Light and Darkness Dragon's effect to resolve negating Mirror Force the activation window is no longer open for attack declaration, and thusly the timing for Dimensional Prison is wrong so it cannot be activated.

I'm aware of that but my question is why does that work with the Ladd situation but not the Fader/Opp situation. Fader is worded the same as Prison and Mirror unless I'm mistaken

Prison = spell speed 2

Fader = spell speed 1, trigger effect, can't be chained.

Harper7000 wrote:

I'm aware of that but my question is why does that work with the Ladd situation but not the Fader/Opp situation. Fader is worded the same as Prison and Mirror unless I'm mistaken

VioletSk227 wrote:

Konami made a special rule that states you may not activate multiple Trigger/Multi-Trigger effects from the hand in a single chain in response to the same action.

Same reason you can't use Gorz and Trag, or multiple Trags. You cannot activate multiple effects from the hand in response to a single action, whether it be taking Battle Damage, responding to attack declaration, etc.

As a side note, you can Magic Cylinder and Mirror Force to the same attack declaration, because they activated on the field, rather than from the hand. In that case, opponent takes damage, and loses all attack position monsters. Yay.

I believe you could even Battle Fader and Mirror Force, could you not? As long as they are in a chain, Battle Fader would come out and Mirror Force would destroy all attack position monsters (With Fader forcing opponent to Main Phase 2).

rjuto wrote:

Prison = spell speed 2

Fader = spell speed 1, trigger effect, can't be chained.

Gotcha, didn't think about that. This can be locked if spellcaster is ok with it

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and thats the bottom line cuz harper the moderator said so.