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judges wrote:

This has been discussed several times in this forum. Because OCG rulings are not official in the TCG, there are no TCG rulings for Xyz Summons at all and in the interest of maintaining consistency with an official source, the well-seasoned judges (aka those judges that are typically Team Leads and HJs at the Premier Events in the U.S.) are currently ruling that if Reborn Tengu is used as Xyz Material, the effect of Reborn Tengu will still activate.

This is not because we disagree or agree with the OCG rulings on Xyz Summons, contrary to what some may think - this is because judges in TCG territories should rule, ultimately, in the perspective of the TCG, not the OCG. In that vein, we then rule in that perspective to maintain consistency in our events, at least, until the article is either clarified or else official rulings are passed down from R&D regarding Xyz Summon mechanics.

So, as long as there is no XYZ rulings in TCG go use Tengu's effect while XYZ summoning! XD

Tengu gets eff in TCG, and don't in OCG? wth? I take TCG rulings on this all day

tengu be a tcg exclusive, so ofc u take the tcg rulings...

I....didn't know that D:

The Crocodile wrote:

Quote :

Originally Posted by Kevin
In [OP's] original example, Tengu was on the field. Now it's not. Nor was it shuffled into the Deck.

Therefore,
it left the field. Unless you want to explain to me how a card leaves
the field without actually leaving the field.....

exactly what would i ask you SK when you said about machina fortress and stuff...
Tengu LEAVES THE FIELD when used as material. Therefore it gets eff

Did you even read what the OP post was?

In [OP's] original example, Tengu was on the field. Now it's not. Nor was it shuffled into the Deck.

Therefore, it left the field. Unless you want to explain to me how a card leaves the field without actually leaving the field.....

this post makes you want to believe that the effect goes off when it leaves the field but the way kevin talked about the OP makes you want to believe that the effect goes off when detached...

very confusing haha

¨yep when detached...but still they said something else on wikia...need to withdraw what they say

quote wikia:
Xyz Materials are also treated as not being on the field

theyll either need to clear this or RAAAAGE ! >.<

To comment on this ill just repost death aspects blog.

Pat attention to how Konami claims to want a more consistent and easy game, but then contradicts already "set it stone" OCG rulings.

The reason that this is supposedly nothing more than a baseless OCG-TCG ruling disagreement is because of Plaguespreader.

It has already been ruled conclusively that a Plaguespreader that would banish itself when removed from the field does not banish itself upon being treated as Xyz Material.


If treating a card as Xyz Material triggers Tengu's effect, it must make Tengu leave the field:

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

So it can't make it leave the field.

So it shouldn't trigger Tengu.

But it triggers Tengu, so it must make Tengu leave the field.

but if treating one as Xyz Material makes Tengu leave the field, it must make Plague leave the field.

And if Plague leaves the field, it must banish itself.

But it doesn't banish itself.

Yea, I read that one, and the reason I didn't post it was exactly the reason you posted it: it makes the ruling regarding Tengu even more unclear xD

i'm still gonna rule that you get another tengu when you Xyz summon with it till we get word from R&D =b

Well Thats what Everybody is doing who cares about OCG anyways

Tengu remains immortal, I have spoken.

just in case you guys haven't really seen any updates on this issue yet.

1. "Kevin Tewart: Do not use OCG rules as a reference."

2. "Kevin Tewart: As I've stated before in this group, Xyz Materials are on the field. Period. End of story."
- Means Sangan/Tengu/Dandy/Zero will trigger when detached but not when they become an Xyz Materials

3. "Kevin Tewart: They're considered "on the field" yes, but don't have their 'on the field' effects since they're not monsters anymore. If Exiled Force is an Xyz Material you can't Tribute it. If XX-saber Fulhelmknight is an Xyz Material, you can't negate an attack. Just like if these same monsters were equipped to Relinquished, etc.

It's easiest to think of Xyz Materials as very similar to equipped monsters, at least for now. The main difference is that since they don't occupy zones, you can't go after them with Caius or Raikgei Break or (heh) MST."

- Dimensional Fissure will not banish the Xyz Materials when detached.
- Banisher of the Radiance/Macro Cosmos will banish the Xyz Materials when detached.

4. "Person: for tcg clarification: if the Xyz monster is destroyed, are the materials also considered to be destroyed? or are they still considered to be sent?

Kevin Tewart: sent"

- Safe to assume for now that if an Xyz monster is removed from the field via battle/card effects the Materials are sent to the grave.


all of these are still under discussion with R&D but have been said to judges so that we have something to work with while they discuss it. and Julia Hedberg (TCG Judge Manager) said that anything said by Kevin Tewart can be used as an official source for rulings as long as whatever he said is quoted exactly.