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PostSubject: 1st leason {Priority}   Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:53 pm

priority:can be defined as (A player's 'right' to be able to activate his/her effect) ensuring its spot on chain link 1.


Priority does not allow players to automatically activate and resolve effects without a chain; it simply assures a card's activation (not resolution), and guarantees a place on chain link 1.

like that we can now understand very well what is the meaning of prio

but not all monsters have prio becouse there are alot of wrong using of many cards,, we have alot of examples of monsters that have a prio like , the monster that we all love {DAD} he is a monster has a prio , and {Ladd}
as well but in case of Ladd we may be have a problem here like this example

If i have Ladd and tomato and u have tomato
then i attaked with my tomato to urs and both goes to grave

so wich tomato will active its eff mine or urs

as we said befor we have chain links and here when my tomato go to grave and urs go to ur grave we have here chain link 1 and 2 and my Ladd will be 3 so ur eff will be negated 1st then my eff will goes so i will summon my monster when u canot so chain links are very important to understand very well

2nd example

we have {choas sorcerer} and {bottomless} and 1 face up
we summon choas and u activated ur trap so what will happen and why
its simple as we all know what he has prio and his eff canot be negated

but if we had {book of moon} instead of {bottomless}
(ahhh in this matter my choas eff will go my teacher becouse u said it has a prio isnot it ?)

this is deffrent as book of moon face down monster which are face up and chaos eff goes on face up only so his eff will negated as well

another example:
i end my turn with a face-up "Mystical Elf" and a set "Trap Hole".

U Normal Summon "Exiled Force". Since "Exiled Force" has an Ignition Effect, u can use priority to activate its effect, which becomes Chain Link 1. However, the cost of "Exiled Force"'s effect is to Tribute itself. Since costs are mandatory to activate a card (not resolve the effect), the cost of "Exiled Force" is immediately carried out. "Exiled Force" is removed from the field, and my "Trap Hole" will no longer have a monster to resolve its effect for.


another example for prio and final one

we all know about {breaker}
how many duelists i duel with them they say when they summon {breacker}prio

this is very very wrong as {breaker}never has any prio as u donot have any time to active it becouse u put (2 spell counter) when u summon it {but u canot destroy a spell or a trap in this time}

we have another monster like him who has a prio (Lyla,LS)

hope u now understood about prio very well and gave u alot of examples hope u enjoy with my lesson today


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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:02 pm

Nice litle article Hell Kaiser ;this really should help many players that dont understand prioritys off effects. but your wrong about something mate, Breaker have a prio, the priority is that he get a token and 300 atk XD but of course, his 2nd effect will have to waith !


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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:20 am

Nice article Hell Kaiser #2! it's odd, just today I posted a topic saying we could use mire instruction for less experienced members like articles and such, and now here you are ready to teach the same day o_O. Keep up the good work

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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:31 am

Yeah it's rea;;y god to read these stuff and learn things many of us might not know.
Just one thing try fixing your dictation you make many mistakes and that makes t dyfficult to read

Other than that very good Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:03 am

Oh Great Article this should help some duelists

Keep it up Kaiser!
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:01 am

And finally some light is shed on the matter. I always found priority pretty vague so I pretty much called it on every monster I summoned. If I couldn't, my opponent usually didn't know it. xD

Your article helps a lot, though I'm still just gonna call it on every freakin' monster I summon... even normal monsters. Razz

I have one question, however. I've heard from some players that priority can't just be called at any time.

For example: I summon "Chaos Sorcerer", you activate "Bottomless Trap Hole". I know my sorcerer won't survive that, so I decide to call priority in the light of the moment.

I've heard that you can't do this and that priority has to be called immediatly after your monster hits the field. When you're the one with bottomless, you can verify it first by asking "Do you wish to call priority?". This is important, because if your opponent doesn't and you activate "Bottomless Trap Hole" afterwards, he cannot call for priority anymore.

I believe this to be true, though I'm not entirely sure, so I thought I'd throw ir on the table now, since it's on topic anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:39 am

You have to call priority right after the summon before your opponent activates anything else BUT on KC there is lag or your opponent just doesn't way and you say you wanted to call priority IRL that wouldn't work

And I don't really get what you ment about lyla but if u activate her prio and BTH is chained her eff won't resolve and you opponents s/t won't get destroyed

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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:33 am

Here is another example that involves an optional trigger monster effect.

Player B has Book of Moon face-down on the field
Player A special summons a Black Rose Dragon;
Player B activates Book of Moon on BRD;
Player A cannot activate BRD trigger effect because it is not compulsory (viz. it miss the timing, read the article).

Resolves into:
BRD is flipped face-down in defense position.




But BRD has an ignition effect too:

Player A has a Plant-Type monster in his/her grave;
Player B has a Defense position monster on his/her side of the field, and a face-down BoM;
Player A special summons a Black Rose Dragon and call on priority;
Player A removes a Plant-Type monster from play from his/her graveyard and targets his/her opponent's Defense position monster;
Player B activates Book of Moon on BRD.

Resolves into:
BRD is flipped face-down defense position;
Player B's Defense position monster is switched to attack position and its attack becomes 0 until the End Phase.
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:09 am

wat?
by chaos sorcerer effect do you mean you booked the "chaos sorcerer" or booked the "chaos sorcerer's target'?

if by booking CS then he don't get to activate it's effect can you explain why Judgment Dragon may call a priority even though he/it is or even Book of moon-ed.

i also don't understand about Blackrose dragon
how come player A can't activate BRD's effect, the turn player get the priority to activate the BRD trigger effect and place it in chainlink 1(unless he wants to pass it) O.o


as a side note: Lyla's effect (to be changed to defense position) is a resolving condition for destroying one backrow. so if lyla's isn't changed to defense position because of her own effect, the targeted card isn't destroyed.

Source: Mostly from TDA or NDS Gameplay ;p
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:27 pm

HyawehHoshikawa wrote:
wat?
i also don't understand about Blackrose dragon
how come player A can't activate BRD's effect, the turn player get the priority to activate the BRD trigger effect and place it in chainlink 1(unless he wants to pass it) O.o

As I said, BRD trigger effect is optional. If the summon of BRD is responded, say, by a trap, BRD misses the timing and its optional trigger effect cannot be activated. This means that BRD owner cannot call prio for the trigger effect.
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:54 pm

confuse = ="

at wiki

>>PASS PRIORITY<<

Quote :
One can pass priority by simply stating "I pass priority".

Optional Trigger Monster Effects, like "Mobius the Frost Monarch", are not Ignition Effects, so their effect(s) can only be activated when the condition that triggers them was the last action to have resolved on the field. <<< u can call priority here, same to blackrosedragon , right ?

Priority will automatically be passed to the opponent if the Summoned monster has a Compulsory Monster Effect, like "Zaborg the Thunder Monarch".

Priority is also automatically passed when the Turn Player declares an end to any Phase.
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:26 pm

Well...
maybe you means BRD is summoned via Urgent Tuning while there's a chainlink in works?

like this:
Player B: Activate Mystical Space Typhoon targeting Face-Down"Urgent Tuning" Player A
Player A: Chain "Urgent Tuning" and synchro summon BRD
--chain resolve backward--
Player A's Urgent Tuning resolving and summon BRD
//BRD's effect is optional and hence it's missing the timing because in this case MST hasn't resolved and hence it need to resolve 1st//

Player B's MST destroying Urgent Tuning (though nothing happen).
--Chainlink resolves but BRD's trigger effect respond windows has passed so it missing the timing--

however if in normal state you synchro summon BRD and BRD's summoning is chained(not negated) IMO there's no reason for you to not able to call priority for BRD's effect.because you're the turn player and you get to place BRD's effect in chainlink1 even if BRD is then removed by Bottomless, the effect to nuke will still resolve.



oh and one thing that most people usually forget about priority:
Let's say you have DaD on the field and then you synchro summon Brionac.
now you hold a priority not only to Brionac but also to DaD (i mean you can summon brionac and then calling prio to activate DaD's effect(not activating both brio and Dad's effect be4 your opponent may respond.))
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:09 pm

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And I don't really get what you ment about lyla but if u activate her prio and BTH is chained her eff won't resolve and you opponents s/t won't get destroyed

i can confirm this ^^ because switch to def position is part of her effect, even if u call priority, when lyla is not in the field, she cannot resolve her effect because she din change to def position
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:29 pm

HyawehHoshikawa wrote:
however if in normal state you synchro summon BRD and BRD's summoning is chained(not negated) IMO there's no reason for you to not able to call priority for BRD's effect.because you're the turn player and you get to place BRD's effect in chainlink1 even if BRD is then removed by Bottomless, the effect to nuke will still resolve.

For the sake of clarity, I'm referring to this and this. Optional effects suffer from missing the timing. Your opponent has quite always the opportunity to respond to your actions. In case a card is legally played (a s/t is flipped, a monster is put on the field, ...) you can miss the timing because last action is not anymore the one that triggers the effect.
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PostSubject: Re: 1st leason {Priority}   Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:06 pm

hyaweh:
 

To Phoenix:
 


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